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- From: jct@mti.sgi.com (Chris Thomas)
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- This list is largely a collection of hearsay: I'm depending on
- information from others. Please don't make decisions based on anything
- here without first checking out the facts for yourself.
-
- (A "+" indicates a new question, and a "*" indicates a change from
- the last edition of this FAQ. When you see a question number in this
- list, you can probably use your newsreader to search the rest of this
- article for that question number.)
-
- soc.motss, Other Newsgroups, and Mailing Lists
- 101. Who reads soc.motss?
- 102. When was soc.motss created?
- 103. Why isn't the group name something more obvious, like soc.gay?
- 104. What subjects are legitimate in soc.motss?
- 105. Can you give any more specific guidelines about posting?
- 106. What will happen to me if I post in soc.motss?
- 107. Can I post anonymously to soc.motss?
- 108. My site has only read access to soc.motss.
- 109. What will happen to me if I read soc.motss?
- 110. What are those numbers and letters in some signatures?
- 111. What are those "twinks", "smurfs", etc.?
- 112. What is motss.con?
- 121. I saw something in another newsgroup that everyone in soc.motss
- should read.
- 122. What about crossposting from soc.motss to other groups?
- 123. How do I add {person's name} to my kill file?
- 124. How do I make my newsreader do <desired function>?
- 125. How do I find someone's email address?
- 131. (*) Are there other motss-related newsgroups I'd be interested in?
- 132. (*) Are there mailing lists I can subscribe to?
- 133. Are there LGBO*-oriented bulletin board systems that I could
- subscribe to directly?
-
- Science and Medicine
- 201. What is the Kinsey scale?
- 202. What is the origin of the "10% gay" figure?
- 203. What else did Kinsey find?
- 211. Is HIV the same as AIDS?
- 212. (*) What is the "AIDS test"?
- 213. Since my partner and I are both HIV negative, we don't have to
- bother with safer sex, do we?
- 214. Where can I get more information?
- 221. What's all this about brain differences in gay men?
- 222. Wasn't that an awfully small sample?
- 223. Weren't there some exceptions?
- 224. What exactly does this study prove?
-
- Grab bag
- 301. What's the origin of the pink triangle?
- 302. Does the pink triangle point up or down?
- 303. When is National Coming Out Day (NCOD)?
- 304. When is the Pride March in <U.S. city name>?
- 305. Who was Harvey Milk?
- 306. Was he the first openly gay or lesbian elected official in the U.S.?
- 321. Does "gay" imply "male"?
- 322. What's the right term to include everyone?
- 323. Is "gay" a noun or an adjective?
- 324. When the grammar books tell me to say "he", "him", or "his" in
- referring to a person of unspecified gender, what should I do?
- 325. Is it "sexual orientation" or "sexual preference"?
- 331. How do I get motss pictures via FTP?
- 332. Can I get pictures by email?
- 333. Where do I find GIF viewers?
- 341. Where can I buy stuff by mail order?
- 342. I'm/we're going to Europe and want to know which hotels and
- restaurants are gay-friendly.
- 343. Who is Orson Scott Card?
- 344. I saw an 800 number that is maintained by <homophobic group>.
- Should I post it so everyone can call and tie up the line?
- 345. What is GLAAD?
- 346. What is NAMBLA?
- 347. (*) What gay/lesbian organizations exist for persons in the
- high-technology industries?
- 348. What is "After the Ball"?
-
- Civil Rights and The Law
- 401. (*) Which governments have laws against discrimination on the basis
- of sexual orientation?
- 402. What about discrimination by private employers?
- 403. Where is same-gender sex legal?
- 404. Didn't the U.S. Supreme Court say sodomy was a crime even in private?
- 405. (+) What is Amendment 2?
-
- About this newsgroup
- ====================
-
- 101. Who reads soc.motss?
- June 1992 usage figures show about 70,000 readers worldwide.
- soc.motss appears regularly on the list of "Top 25 News Groups" in
- terms of submitted volume; for two weeks in the middle of May 1992,
- there were 2033 articles totaling 2.7 megabytes. (Hint: learn to
- use a kill file.)
-
- 102. When was soc.motss created?
- In October 1983, as 'net.motss'. Excerpt from Steve Dyer's
- announcement of 7 Oct 83: "Net.motss is a forum for the discussion of
- gay-related issues of interest to all members of Usenet. Its name is an
- acronym for "members of the same sex", coined by contributors to
- net.singles as an analogue to MOTOS--"member of the opposite sex." It is
- therefore, unfortunately, a euphemism of sorts--an alternative to the
- preferred 'net.gay'. Nevertheless, the proponents of the group have
- gladly passed on this minor issue so that the group should be swiftly
- formed."
-
- 103. Why isn't the group name something more obvious, like soc.gay?
- At least two answers: a. Historically, staying away from the name
- "gay" was an attempt not to wave a red flag in front of homophobic
- system administrators (see answer to preceding Q). b. Currently, there
- is considerable disagreement over whether the word "gay" includes
- lesbians and bisexuals; "motss" (members of the same sex) references the
- issues that bind us all together -- namely, romance and sex with members
- of the same gender.
-
- 104. What subjects are legitimate in soc.motss?
- Anything motss-related that's on your mind is fair game, with one
- major exception: condemnations or "justifications" of homosexuality do
- not belong in soc.motss. They can go in alt.politics.homosexuality or
- talk.politics.misc.
- According to the original announcement, soc.motss "is designed to
- foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, such as health problems,
- parenting, relationships, clearances, job security and many others. Gay
- members of Usenet will find this a supportive environment for the
- discussion of issues which have immediate impact on their everyday
- lives. Those who aren't gay have an opportunity to be informed by the
- discussion, and are encouraged to read the news items and contribute
- their own questions and opinions.
- "[soc.motss] is emphatically NOT a newsgroup for the discussion of
- whether homosexuality is good or bad, natural or unnatural. Nor is it a
- place where conduct unsuitable for the net will be allowed or condoned.
- Rather, like every Usenet news group, it is an opportunity for people
- all across the world to express their opinions, exchange ideas, and come
- to appreciate the diversity within the Usenet membership."
-
- 105. Can you give any more specific guidelines about posting?
- Follow normal netiquette. Some special "hot buttons" for many of us
- are any kind of sexist language; statements like "I'm straight, but..."
- or "I think what you do is gross"; referring to people with AIDS as
- "victims".
- The traffic is huge and many of us are supposed to be working, so
- please think about using email rather than posting; or if you post a
- follow-up, please edit ruthlessly to pare the quoted bits down to the
- bare minimum -- but don't scramble the attributions.
- If you see something particularly outrageous and homophobic, the
- advice many of us will give is "sit on your hands": i.e., ignore it.
- The 'phobes typically leave soon UNLESS they have an audience. If
- you absolutely feel you must respond, and email isn't good enough,
- please at least edit "soc.motss" out of the Newsgroups: line so the
- rest of us don't have to see any repetition of it.
-
- 106. What will happen to me if I post in soc.motss?
- The answer is, in general, nothing. (Lots of people of all orienta-
- tions read and write to soc.motss, so strictly speaking you're not
- coming out by posting. Even so, some people will draw conclusions about
- your sexual orientation from the fact that you post here. You can post
- anonymously by sending email to any of the addresses listed in the
- biweekly soc.motss lexicon.
- However-- Assume that any posting in net news is in the public
- domain and could end **anywhere**: the general media, a police file, a
- Fundie's hate list, an entrepeneur's sales contact list, etc. If you
- can't stand by your posting, then don't post.
-
- 107. Can I post anonymously to soc.motss?
- Don't underestimate the sense of liberty and self-esteem that may
- come from posting an article under your own name. Nevertheless, many
- of us are sensitive to the difficulties this may pose for some people,
- especially those of us whose first articles were posted by someone
- else protecting our identity. The following people have offered to
- re-post submissions after removing any identifying headers, and forward
- email responses back to you.
-
- Leonid V. Belyaev leo@cs.ucla.edu
- Bradley Clymer clymer@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
- Laura Creighton toad@toad.com
- Steve Dyer dyer@spdcc.com
- Andrew Gollan adjg@softway.oz.au
- Roger Klorese rogerk@unpc.queernet.org
- Ciaran McHale cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie
- Neil Perret-Green neil@ccl.umist.ac.uk
- Daniel Sternbergh ddaniel@lindy.stanford.edu
- Chris Thomas jct@mti.sgi.com
- Cindy Tittle Moore tittle@ics.uci.edu
-
- Please provide a valid name and email address so that this person can
- get follow-up mail back to you. These names and addresses will be
- kept confidential.
-
- 108. My site has only read access to soc.motss.
- You can try sending email to soc-motss@ucbvax.berkeley.edu. (Please
- don't waste the resources if you can post directly.) I have verified
- that the result is a (non-anonymous) post; however, some persons have
- reported that mail to that address bounces. [As of July 1992, this
- service seems to be broken.]
- Or you may want to subscribe to a public access site. The semi-
- official list of public access UNIX sites (nixpub) is available from
- lgnp1 (+1 215 348 9727) (login:guest) and is posted periodically in
- the comp.misc newsgroup.
-
- 109. What will happen to me if I read soc.motss?
- In general, nothing. (You may be informed or infuriated, of course;
- but that's a standard Usenet hazard.) If you're extremely concerned, you
- should be aware that most system software leaves your 'newsrc' file
- unprotected by default. There are system-dependent commands to protect
- it, but none are airtight. As in other areas of life, you have to
- decide whether this is an acceptable risk for you.
-
- 110. What are those numbers and letters in some signatures?
- A string of letters and numbers beginning with a B and a number
- are the "bear codes", which refer to the poster's build, furriness,
- etc. An article explaining the bear codes is available via FTP from
- spdcc.com; the filename is "pub/NBCS.V1.9". (Refer to question 331
- for some information on FTP.) Other cryptic letter/number
- combinations appearing in signatures usually indicate one of the many
- "codes" developed in response to the original bear code. There's a
- bears mailing list; see "mail.bears" below.
-
- 111. What are these "twinks", "smurfs", etc?
- Here's a quick lexicon of some of the "unusual" terms you'll see
- on soc.motss. Some of these are specific to the motss world, and others
- aren't.
-
- muffin: A member of the soc.motss community who reads but has never
- posted an article, or at least not under their own name. Usually
- used to refer to gay, lesbian, or bisexual persons.
-
- biscuit: Non-gay persons on soc.motss, sometimes used for non-posters
- (analogous to muffin), but not always.
-
- bears: Persons, usually men, whose physical characteristics tend
- toward the husky and hirsute.
-
- twink, twinkie: Generally, a cute young (male) thing (CYT). Known as
- "golden, cream-filled, and ready to be eaten." (Etymology: In the US,
- Twinkies(tm) are snack cakes with these same properties.)
-
- smurf: Usually indicates an irreverent, silly, *cute* poster. Some
- soc.motss participants have formed a loose organization called the
- "Smurf Gang". Never take a Smurf Gang posting at face value. (Etymology:
- the cartoon characters.)
-
- LGBO*: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual people, Others, and Anyone Still
- Left Out.
-
- 112. What is motss.con?
- [From Bob Donahue:] In San Francisco during 1988, an informal
- gathering for a few days took place to take advantage of the
- opportunity for people to meet each other face-to-face ("you don't
- look anything like your posts"). Everyone had so much fun, it was
- repeated in 1989 in Boston, 1990 in Denver, 1991 in Toronto, and was
- this year in Portland, Oregon, from July 23-27.
- Generally, the decision of when and where the con is held is made
- up by competing groups of people in different locals vying for the
- honor based on proposals submitted near the beginning of the year.
- The group as a whole votes on the set of proposals, picking one.
- Traditionally, there is one "official" motss.con per year, usually in
- the early summer. Several "mini-cons" are held every year worldwide,
- and regional dinners, events, get-togethers, etc. are very common.
-
-
- Crossposting and net usage
- ==========================
-
- 121. I saw something in another newsgroup that everyone in soc.motss
- should read.
- No, you probably didn't. It is generally bad manners to crosspost
- or duplicate post something from another newsgroup to soc.motss just
- because you think soc.motssers should read it. It is _especially_ bad
- manners to crosspost condemnations of homosexuality (see "What subjects
- are legitimate", above); and the best thing to do with such posts is to
- ignore them or, if you feel you must, to reply by email. It _is_
- acceptable to post a brief note on soc.motss only, saying "In newsgroup
- a.b.c there's a thread called blah-blah. Check it out if you're
- interested."
-
- 122. What about crossposting from soc.motss to other groups?
- Again, there can't be a hard rule, but it's generally not a good
- idea. Say there was a TV show with some motss interest, and you feel
- moved to post about it. At first thought it might seem reasonable to
- crosspost to soc.motss,rec.arts.tv. But the two groups are separate
- because they serve generally separate interests. The thread could
- develop in different directions, and it's not really a service to either
- group to force its members to read stuff they're not interested in, or
- edit their kill files yet again.
-
- 123. How do I add {person's name} to my kill file?
- This varies according to which newsreader you use. Many of us are
- on rn or trn, where the answer is "type Ctrl-K while in soc.motss,
- then edit in the line /evilpersonsname/h:j substituting the actual
- name between the slashes." For other newsreaders, and for lots of
- Usenet help in general, subscribe to the group news.newusers.questions.
-
- 124. How do I make my newsreader do <desired function>?
- Check the user's manual, if there is one. Ask somebody at your site
- who knows. If all else fails, you can post a question in the group
- news.newusers.questions. Be sure to mention the operating system and
- newsreader program you use, with version numbers if possible.
- Remember that it is good manners to read a group for a while before
- you post. Your question may be frequently asked, and you'll have the
- answer without posting.
-
- 125. How do I find someone's email address?
- This is answered in weekly FAQ postings in news.newusers.questions.
-
-
- Other resources
- ===============
-
- 131. Are there other motss-related newsgroups I'd be interested in?
- - ba.motss is a San Francisco Bay Area regional newsgroup.
- - ne.motss is a New England (northeastern US) regional newsgroup.
- (*) - pnw.motss is a newsgroup for the Pacific Northwest region of
- the US.
- - sci.med.aids for AIDS issues
- - soc.bi: for discussions of bisexuality
- - alt.politics.homosexuality and talk.politics.misc tend (IMHO) to a
- higher level of flamage about LGBO* issues.
- - clari.news.group.gays: This is part of Clarinet, a commercial
- subscription service carried by some Usenet sites. Carries UPI
- newswire stories relating to lesbian/gay issues.
- - alt.sex.bondage and rec.arts.bodyart carry topics of interest
- to some specific motss sub-communities.
- Of course, We Are Everywhere (TM), so you will also see LGBO* viewpoints
- in many newsgroups.
- If you're new to Usenet, or even if you're not, you may find lots of
- interesting stuff in news.newusers.questions and news.announce.newusers.
- The group news.answers is collecting FAQ lists from all newsgroups.
-
- 132. Are there mailing lists I can subscribe to?
- Following is the list of those I've seen posted on soc.motss. Please
- send corrections or additions to me by email. To subscribe, send a
- message via email to the address prefixed by (s). The (p) is the email
- address for sending posts (if known). It is good manners to subscribe
- to a list and read it for a while before attempting to post. Most of
- these descriptions have been supplied by the list maintainers.
- - Act-up: Silence=Death/Action=Life. AIDS activism.
- (s)act-up-request@world.std.com (p)act-up@world.std.com
- - bifem-l is a women-only list for bisexuals and friends. (s) send
- mail to listserv@brownvm.brown.edu with the body "sub bifem-l
- your name".
- - bisexu-l. (s) send mail to listserv@brownvm.brown.edu with the
- body "sub bisexu-l your name". (p)bisexu-l@brownvm.brown.edu.
- - cdforum is a list for transvestites, transsexuals, transgenderists
- and supportive others. (s)cdforum-request@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
- via Internet, or (s)uunet!samsung!wizvax!cdforum-request via UUCP.
- - DSA-LGB: Mailing list for the members of the Lesbian/gay/bisexual
- Commission of the Democratic Socialists of America, and others
- with shared interests. (s)DSA-LGB-request@midway.uchicago.edu
- (p)DSA-LGB@midway.uchicago.edu
- - eagles: "a forum for Eagle Scouts who are queer to discuss how to
- pressure the BSA to change their homophobic policies; interested
- others also welcome." (s)eagles-request@pompei.usc.edu;
- (p)eagles@pompei.usc.edu
- (*) - gaynet: lesbigay concerns on campus; distributed in digest form.
- (s)gaynet-request@athena.mit.edu (p)gaynet@athena.mit.edu. [Note:
- Reported missing in action as of 12/92. Updated information welcome!]
- - lisaben, for discussing lesbian issues (women and men):
- (s)lisaben-request@athena.mit.edu [Reported defunct Sep 92]
- - mail.bears is a moderated mailing list in digest format for gay
- and bisexual men who are bears themselves and for those who enjoy
- the company of bears. (s)bears-request@spdcc.COM, or
- (s){harvard,ima,bbn}!spdcc!bears-request
- - ne-social, a purely social mailing list for the northeast corridor
- of the US: (s)ne-social-motss-request@castle.org or
- (s)castle-request!ne-social-motss (p)ne-social-motss@castle.org or
- (p)castle!ne-social-motss
- - oh-motss. (s)oh-motss-request@cps.udayton.edu;
- (p)oh-motss@cps.udayton.edu
- - Queer Nation. (s)qn-request@athena.mit.edu (p)qn@athena.mit.edu
- - sappho, for discussing lesbian issues (women only):
- (s)sappho-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu
- - Sexual-politics: Discussions relating to sexual politics.
- (s)sexual-politics-request@reagan.ai.mit.edu
- (p)sexual-politics@reagan.ai.mit.edu
- - transgen: transsexual, transgender, transvestite discussion and
- support.(s)listserv@brownvm.brown.edu (p)transgen@brownvm.brown.edu
- The message body should be of the form "sub transgen your-name" to
- subscribe.
- - uk-motss: (s)Internet: uk-motss-request@pyra.co.uk
- (s)JANet: uk-motss-request@uk.co.pyra
- uk-motss-request%uk.co.pyra@uknet
- (s)UUCP domain: uk-motss-request@pyrltd.UUCP
- (s)UUCP route: ...!uknet!pyrltd!uk-motss-request
- The information file for the list can be obtained by contacting
- uk-motss-request.
- - OUTIL (Out in Linguistics): "For queer, lesbian, gay, bisexual,
- etc. linguists and their friends; the list serves primarily to
- allow out linguists to get in touch with one another and to
- provide a way of scheduling gatherings at conferences, although
- mail on any relevant topic is welcome. Requests to
- outil-request@csli.stanford.edu.
- - National Organization of Gay and Lesbian Scientists and
- Technical Professionals (noglstp): Subscription requests to
- noglstp-request@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov.
-
- Additionally, "Braddlee@ucs.indiana.edu keeps a pretty complete list
- of queer-related mailing lists, and mails it to anyone who asks him."
-
- 133. Are there LGBO*-oriented bulletin board systems that I could
- subscribe to directly?
- "skidillions" of them, according to a post to soc.motss. Policies
- vary regarding access and fees. Some are networked via Fidonet or
- Gaycom or other store-and-forward networks, and some are accessible via
- Starlink or PC-Pursuit. A good list of functioning BBS's (not necessarily
- gay) in the US is available from the P.D.S.L.O. BBS (+1 516 938 6722).
- {Boardwatch Magazine}'s BBS (+1 303 973 4222) carries information on
- BBSes across the country. Some other places to start (data numbers):
- - 28 Barbary Lane, Seattle WA: +1 206 525 2828
- - The BackRoom (GayCom), Richmond Hill NY: +1 718 849 1616
- - Bill 'n' Bob's, Cleveland OH: +1 216 741 5888
- - Fog City (FIDO node 125/10), San Francisco CA: +1 415 863 9697
- - GLIB, Arlington VA: +1 703 578 4542
- - Long Island [NY] Lambda: +1 516 467 5204
- - pdx-motss, Portland OR: +1 503 293 1762
-
- The Kinsey scale
- ================
-
- 201. What is the Kinsey scale?
- In the 1948 book {Sexual Behavior in the Human Male}, the Kinsey
- researchers made the (then) startling assertion that homosexual behavior
- was not restricted to identified homosexuals. (The book was based on
- an in-depth survey of thousands of men.) The authors said that it made
- more sense to look at a person's behavior and psychological response as
- being at some point on a spectrum or scale:
- 0 = entirely heterosexual
- 1 = largely heterosexual, but with incidental homosexual history
- 2 = largely heterosexual, but with a distinct homosexual history
- 3 = equally heterosexual and homosexual
- 4 = largely homosexual, but with a distinct heterosexual history
- 5 = largely homosexual, but with incidental heterosexual history
- 6 = entirely homosexual
- (Someone posted excerpts from "Incidence, Frequency, and the Kinsey
- 0-6 Scale" by C A Tripp, from {The Encyclopedia of Homosexuality}. This
- answer and the next two are adapted from that posting.)
-
- 202. What is the origin of the "10% gay" figure?
- In the same book (see previous answer), Kinsey published survey
- results that over the past three years 4% of the men were Kinsey 6's
- (exclusively homosexual experiences) and 6% were Kinsey 5's (homosexual
- with only incidental hetereosexual experience); 4% + 6% = 10%. The
- parallel statistic for women in the same studies is 3 to 8% (scale 4 to
- 6). The works don't really match exactly in what they were measuring.
- Like any sociological study, Kinsey's has been challenged on a number of
- grounds. More recent studies have generated statistics far above or
- below these numbers (especially for women), but nothing more
- authoritative has been published.
-
- 203. What else did Kinsey find?
- Well there are two whole books, but here are a few numerical
- excerpts. "[A]t least 37% of the male population has some homosexual
- experience between the beginning of adolescence and old age.... This is
- more than one male in three of the persons that one may meet as he
- passes along a city street." In addition, 13% of males react erotically
- to other males without having overt homosexual contacts after the onset
- of adolescence. (This 13 percent, coupled with the 37 percent who do
- have overt homosexual experience, means that a full 50 percent of males
- have at least some sexual response to other males after adolescence --
- and conversely, that only the other 50 percent of the male population is
- entirely heterosexual throughout life.)
- 4% of males are exclusively homosexual throughout their lives after
- the onset of adolescence.
- 8% of males are exclusively homosexual (scale 6) for at least three
- years between the ages of 16 and 55.
- 13% of males have more homo than hetero experience (scale 4-6) for at
- least three years between the ages of 16 and 55.
- 18% percent of males have at least as much homo as hetero in their
- histories (scale 3-6) for at least three years between ages 16 and 55.
- 25% percent of the male population has more than incidental
- homosexual experience or reactions (scale 2-6) for at least three years
- between the ages of 16 and 55.
- On the other hand, these Kinsey findings are beside the point in a
- way. Even if the figure was 1%, or a fraction of a percent, discrimina-
- tion would still be wrong.
- (By the way, equivalent figures are not available for women because
- "equivalent female data often cannot be understood without extensive
- additional explanation", according to Tripp's article.)
-
-
- AIDS and HIV
- ============
-
- 211. Is HIV the same as AIDS?
- In a word, no. HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) is the name of a
- virus that is almost universally believed to be the cause of AIDS. A
- person may be "asymptomatic" (having no symptoms, feeling perfectly
- well) for months or years while HIV positive.
- Technically, AIDS is not the name of a disease but rather of a
- syndrome, a collection of symptoms indicative of an advanced stage of
- HIV disease, in which case HIV has destroyed enough of the immune system
- that opportunistic infections have been able to set in. Oh yes-- a
- person diagnosed with AIDS is not an "AIDS victim" but a "person with
- AIDS" or "PWA".
-
- 212. (*) What is the "AIDS test"?
- The so-called AIDS test is actually a test for the presence or
- absence of antibodies in the bloodstream. These are created by the body
- in response to the HIV infection. There is no test at this time to
- detect the presence of HIV directly. A person who is infected will
- still test negative in "HIV tests" (so-called "AIDS tests") for a period
- of time. To be "HIV positive" means that the antibodies have been found
- in the blood.
- There are two tests currently in use: the ELISA for initial
- screening, and the Western blot to confirm a positive ELISA.
- Tests sometimes produce "false negatives"; i.e., the person has the
- HIV antibodies, but the test does not detect them. For that reason (and
- others), any claims that a person (especially a medical practitioner)
- are "certified HIV-negative" should be viewed with skepticism.
-
- 213. Since my partner and I are both HIV negative, we don't have to
- bother with safer sex, do we?
- Yes, you do. First, a negative test does not _necessarily_ mean you
- are not HIV infected (see previous Q). Second, even if you are not now
- infected one of you could become infected in the future. Otherwise you
- are betting your life on a possibly illusory belief in your safety.
-
- 214. Where can I get more information?
- If you have specific questions, your best bet is to subscribe to
- sci.med.aids or contact your local AIDS service organization.
-
-
- Biology of sexual orientation
- =============================
-
- 221. What's all this about brain differences in gay men?
- A brief article in the 30 Aug 1991 issue of {Science} magazine
- (published in U.S.) reported research by Dr Simon LeVay. Levay
- autopsied the brains of 41 persons:
- - homosexual men: 19 (including 1 bisexual) who had died of AIDS;
- - heterosexual men: 16, assumed to be heterosexual, including
- - 6 died of AIDS (including 2 who "denied homosexual activity"
- and 4 who had no sexual orientation recorded)
- - 10 died of other causes and had no sexual orientation recorded
- - women: 6, also assumed to be heterosexual.
- LeVay found that a tiny cell group called INAH 3, part of the
- anterior hypothalamus, was more than twice as large in the presumed
- heterosexual men (0.12 +/- 0.01 mm^3) as in either the homosexual men
- (0.051 +/- 0.01) or the presumed heterosexual women (0.056 +/- 0.02).
- (INAH = interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalmus.) He found no
- differences in INAH 1, 2, or 4.
-
- 222. Wasn't that an awfully small sample?
- Statistical analysis takes into account the sample size and the
- differences between results for the two groups.
- The probability that this result reflects a true difference in the
- general population was 99.9% as between homo and presumed hetero men,
- 99.1% as between presumed hetero men and presumed hetero women. When
- the 19 homosexual men were compared against only the presumed hetero men
- who had died of AIDS, the same difference was found, with a probability
- of 97.2% that this reflects a true difference in the general population.
- There was no statistically significant difference between the size
- of INAH 3 between the homosexual men and the women, nor between the
- presumed heterosexual men who died of AIDS and those who died of other
- causes.
-
- 223. Weren't there some exceptions?
- The results were not uniform: some presumed heterosexual men had
- small INAH 3 nuclei, and some homosexual men had large nuclei. LeVay
- says this could mean that sexual orientation, though important, "may
- not be the sole determinant of INAH 3 size" or that some subjects were
- assigned to the wrong groups.
- Note that the statistical results in the preceding Q take these
- exceptions into account.
-
- 224. What exactly does this study prove?
- LeVay (who is himself gay) said that the study shows that sexual
- orientation in men "is amenable to study at the biological level". It
- does not show whether the size differences cause or result from differ-
- ences in sexual orientation, or both are caused by some third factor as
- yet unidentified. The article did not mention genetic influences.
-
-
- History and politics
- ====================
-
- 301. What's the origin of the pink triangle?
- In the 1930's and 1940's, the Nazis used various colored geometrical
- figures to identify various classes of prisoners in concentration camps.
- The pink triangle was used for homosexual men. There was no badge
- specifically for lesbians: the Nazis used a black triangle for female
- "sex offenders", which (to them) included lesbians, prostitutes, and
- women who refused to bear children for the Reich.
-
- 302. Does the pink triangle point up or down?
- The Nazis made homosexuals wear the triangle with the point facing
- down. ACT-UP flipped the symbol and made it their own. Both ways are
- correct.
-
- 303. When is National Coming-Out Day (NCOD)?
- October 11, every year starting in 1988. (This is U.S.-based, and
- the date commemorates the march on Washington DC, October 11, 1987.)
-
- 304. When is the Pride March in <U.S. city name>?
- Typically these are in the last two weeks of June, but they vary
- from city to city. The timing commemorates our movement's "Boston Tea
- Party": On June 28, 1969, New York City police pulled yet another raid
- on the Stonewall Inn, a bar in Sheridan Square. This time, instead of
- meekly submitting, the patrons (most of them stereotypically effem-
- inate drag queens) fought back with pride, and the modern gay-rights
- struggle sprang up in cities across the U.S. and in other nations.
- Here is an incomplete list of pride events scheduled for 1992:
- May 16-17 Long Beach, CA (310) 987-9191
- May 23-24 Palm Springs, CA (619) 321-8600
- May 31-June 7 Santa Cruz, CA (408) 425-5422
- June 6 New Jersey (908) 826-6691
- June 13-14 San Jose, CA (408) 235-1034
- June 13 Boston, MA
- June 14 Fresno, CA (209) 227-0971
- June 20 Sacramento, CA (916) 442-0185
- June 20 Bangor, ME
- June 27 London, England (Europride)
- June 27-28 West Hollywood (LA), CA (213) 656-6553
- June 27-28 New York, NY
- June 28 San Francisco, CA (415) 864-3733
- June 28 Seattle, WA
- June 28 S. Florida (Ft. Laud.) (800) 771-GAYS
- July 12 Redondo Beach, CA (310) 379-2850
- July 18-19 San Diego, CA (619) 29-PROUD
- August 15-16 Orange County, CA (714) 998-4498
- September 20 Dallas, TX (214) 559-4190
- October 3-4 San Fernando, CA (818) 982-2650
-
- 305. Who was Harvey Milk?
- In 1977, Harvey Milk was elected supervisor of San Francisco (equiv-
- alent to city councilor and county councilor since San Francisco is a
- combined city/county government). He appealed to a coalition of gay men
- and lesbians, non-gay working people, and the elderly. In November
- 1978, Milk and Mayor George Moscone were shot to death in City Hall by
- former Supervisor Dan White. In the trial, White's lawyer pleaded the
- "twinkie defense": White should not be held responsible for
- premeditated murder because he was strung out on sugar from eating
- Hostess Twinkies. The jury apparently agreed, and convicted him of a
- lesser crime. For murdering two human beings, White was sentenced to
- seven years in Jail. The gay and lesbian community erupted in several
- nights of riots. White was later paroled, and committed suicide.
- A good book on Milk's career is {The Mayor of Castro Street} by
- Randy Shilts; a good movie is {The Times of Harvey Milk}. {The Mayor
- of Castro Street} is being developed as a film to be directed by Gus
- Van Sant. Representatives from the GLBO* community have been meeting
- with the film's producers to discuss issues related to the film.
- Filming should begin in early 1993 in San Francisco. "At this writing,
- no concrete decisions have been made as to who will play Harvey Milk,
- through Robin Williams is a likely candidate." [SF Sentinel, 23-Jul-1992]
-
-
- 306. Was he the first openly gay or lesbian elected official in U.S.?
- No. In 1974, Elaine Noble was elected to the Massachusetts
- legislature. She served a few terms and then decided to pursue
- interests outside of elective politics. In 1991 she ran an unsuccessful
- campaign to gain a seat on the Cambridge MA city council. [This chronology
- is currently under some debate.]
-
-
- Language
- ========
-
- 321. Does "gay" imply "male"?
- You'll get different answers from different people. In general it
- is safe to assume that a significant number of persons who identify as
- lesbians or bisexuals will feel excluded by the term "gay".
-
- 322. What's the right term to include everyone?
- There is no one right answer. A growing number of people use
- "queer", but some others are uncomfortable with that. You will also see
- references to "LGBO*", lesbian-gay-bisexual-other. "motsseurs" or
- "motssers" or even "motsketeers" is often used, but that includes
- persons of any sexual orientation who read this newsgroup. In general,
- it's usually safe to use whatever term an author has self-identified
- with.
-
- 323. Is "gay" a noun or an adjective?
- Some persons, even some gay men, are offended by the use of "gay" as
- a noun in sentences like "Bar the door, Martha, the gays are coming."
-
- 324. When the grammar books tell me to say "he", "him", "his" in
- referring to a person of unspecified gender, what should I do?
- There's no one right answer. You can use "they", "them", and
- "their"; or you can use "she", "her", and "her"; or you can use
- combinations like "s/he", "him/her", "his/her"; or you can make up
- pronouns like "sie" or "cos". Any of these will offend someone.
-
- 325. Is it "sexual orientation" or "sexual preference"?
- Although both terms have been widely used, "sexual orientation" is
- emerging as the preferred term for most. This is because "sexual
- preference" implies sexuality is a *chosen* trait, and this implication
- (which most believe to be false) sometimes causes problems when persons
- try to gain equal rights based on "preference" instead of "orientation".
-
-
-
- Pictures (from a post by Steve Dyer)
- ======== (with additions by others)
-
- 331. How do I get motss pictures via FTP?
- The soc.motss picture archive contains digitized images in GIF form.
- GIF is a popular format for the distribution of color and gray scale
- images of up to 8 bits in depth.
- To obtain photos of motsseurs over the Internet, do the following:
-
- % ftp ursa-major.spdcc.com -OR- ftp 140.186.80.3
- Connected to ursa-major.spdcc.com.
- 220 ursa-major.spdcc.com FTP server
- (Version 4.172 Sun Dec 4 17:20:50 EST 1988) ready.
- Name (your.hostand.domain:yourname): anonymous
- 331 Guest login ok, send ident as password.
- Password:
- 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
- ftp> cd /pub/motss.pix
- 250 CWD command successful.
- ftp> dir
- [long directory listing of all GIF photos follows]
- ftp> bin(this is ESSENTIAL)
- 200 Type set to I.
- ftp> get kurisuto.gif
- 200 PORT command successful.
- 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for kurisuto.gif (97477 bytes).
- 226 Transfer complete.
- local: kurisuto.gif remote: kurisuto.gif
- 97477 bytes received in 1.1 seconds (84 Kbytes/s)
- ftp> get another.gif
- 200 PORT command successful.
- 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for another.gif (65535 bytes).
- 226 Transfer complete.
- local: another.gif remote: another.gif
- 65535 bytes received in 1.0 seconds (66 Kbytes/s)
- ftp> bye
- 221 Goodbye.
-
- The archive is also found on a West Coast machine, gatekeeper.dec.com,
- under the directory /pub/graphics/data/soc.motss. I have no information
- about obtaining any of these files by means other than through the
- Internet (i.e., BITNET or UUCP-only sites need to find a friendly
- Internet neighbor.)
-
- 332. Can I get pictures by email?
- Not directly from the owner of the archives. You may have access to
- an "FTP-via-email" facility; check with your local administrators if
- you're curious. (We can't tell from here what's available to you, so
- please don't ask.)
- Digital Equipment Corporation runs an ftp-by-email service that
- is available to all. It can be used by any person who can send and
- receive Internet mail. Send to "ftpmail@pa.dec.com" including a line
- saying "help", and you will be sent an automated reply explaining how
- to use the service.
-
- 333. Where do I find GIF viewers?
- - Sun and X11 programs can be found on ursa-major.spdcc.com under
- the directory /pub/progs.
- - For Silicon Graphics workstations, a program called 'pxdraw' (part
- of a suite of programs 'pxtools') is available via anonymous ftp
- from gauguin.princeton.edu. This and the other programs all read
- a variety of formats, and allow conversion to grayscale and among
- the different formats, including postscript so you can print it
- out if you've got the PS printer.
- - MS-DOS: get CSHOW.EXE from the wustl archive via FTP, or see these
- files in PD:<MSDOS.GIF> on SIMTEL:
- FASTGIF.ARC 37K 880306 View GIF format files. EGA/VGA only
- GDS109.ZIP 138K 910521 Displ GIFs with unlimited zoom, SVGA/VGA
- - Macintosh GIF viewers are available from sumex-aim.stanford.edu in
- /info-mac/apps and called Giffer 1.1.2 and GIFConverter 2.2.9.
- Also check the FAQ in comp.graphics for a complete list.
-
-
- Miscellaneous
- =============
-
- 341. Where can I buy stuff by mail order?
- Most local and national LGBO*-oriented magazines have advertisements
- that will lead you to merchandise you want to buy. Because this _is_ a
- frequently asked question, I'm listing a few sources that have been
- posted or advertised, or that I know of personally. I have shopped at
- both Cleveland stores but in person not by mail order; I have no
- financial interest in any of the listings that follow.
- - Queer Nation Boston sells QN stickers by mail. Send email with
- your U.S. mail address to "ehr@harvarda.harvard.edu" and they will
- send you their information packet. Sorry, I don't know their
- policy for non-U.S. mailings.
- - Don't Panic, 8721 Santa Monica Blvd #13, Los Angeles CA 90069, USA
- sells buttons and T-shirts (800 457 2642 in the US). Source:
- advertisement in Oct 22 {Advocate}; I have no personal knowledge
- of this place.
- - Many LGBO* booksellers do a large business by mail. One such is
- Lambda Rising, +1 800 621 6969 in U.S. and Canada, +1 202 462 6969
- from other countries. (I called 14 Oct 1991 to verify they will
- fill orders from outside the U.S.) Disclaimer: I have not actually
- needed to make a purchase from Lambda Rising in some years.
- - Gifts of Athena, 2199 Lee Rd, Cleveland OH 44118, USA, lesbian
- owned and operated, sells rainbow flags, women's music, mehn's
- music, T-shirts, and jewelry. Phone: +1 216 371 1937 (Mon, Wed,
- Thur, Fri 10-8; Sat 10-6; Sun 12-5). They will ship to US and
- Canada on Visa and MC but you'll need to tell them about Canadian
- customs regulations that may apply.
- - Body Language, 3291 West 115 St, Cleveland OH 44111, USA sells
- books, magazines, videotapes, and novelties/toys. Phone: +1 216
- 251 3330 (Mon-Sat 12-9 pm, Sun 12-5 pm Eastern), or email the
- owner at af244@cleveland.freenet.edu. He will ship out of the US
- "as long as I'm not stuck with a lot of administrivia."
- - "You may want to list Oxford Bookstore as someone who will ship
- gay/lesbian books, and they have an extensive gay/lesbian
- magazine selection (though they will not ship "adult" magazines)."
- (800) 842-3119.
- - A thread in summer 1991 asked about finding jewelry items. Some
- posters suggested dealing directly with a goldsmith to have things
- custom made.
- - "Shocking Gray", 1216 East Euclid, San Antonio TX 78212, (800)
- 788-4729. SG produce an upscale, "Sharper Image"-style catalog
- specifically targeted at the gay and lesbian market.
-
- 342. I'm/we're going to Europe and want to know which hotels and
- restaurants are gay-friendly.
- Long before you leave, pick up a copy of {Are You Two...Together?}
- (1991, Random, ISBN 0-394-58454-6). In it, co-authors Lindsy van Gelder
- and Pamela Brandt travel through the U.K., Belgium, the Netherlands, France,
- Spain, Germany, Italy, and Greece. They give you lots of historical
- background on attractions of interest, especially those with a gay or
- lesbian connection. They also list hotels, bed & breakfasts, and
- restaurants that welcome gay and lesbian couples. They also mention LGB
- organizations and a few bars.
- There are other bar guides, but this is the best _travel book_ with
- an LGBO* slant that I've seen. It's fun to read even if you're not going
- to Europe.
-
- 343. Who is Orson Scott Card?
- A science fiction writer of books including {Ender's Game}, Card
- has been the subject of frequent flamefests on rec.arts.sf-lovers and
- the object of demonstrations by Queer Nation. Card is a Mormon, and
- has expressed some strongly negative views of homosexuality. If you
- want to explore his views, please post a request for people to email
- you. Those of us who have been around for a while would rather not go
- over the same ground again.
- Mr. Card has issued warnings that unauthorized reproductions of
- his work -- including electronic postings and transmissions of them --
- will be dealt with harshly. This *includes* his Mormon writings on
- homosexuality, which he claims were written specifically for a Mormon
- audience and must be read in their original context in order to be
- meaningful. If you're searching for electronic versions of these
- articles, consider yourself warned.
-
- 344. I saw an 800 number that is maintained by <homophobic group>.
- Should I post it so everyone can call and tie up the line?
- You may or may not want to post it as a matter of information.
- However, you should be aware that owners of 800 numbers get a log
- that shows the time, duration, and calling number for every call. This
- is true even if caller ID is not available in your area. You should
- also be aware that your home phone service can be cut off if you make
- repeated harassing calls from your home phone.
-
- 345. What is GLAAD?
- The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is at 80 Varick St,
- suite 3E, New York NY 10013 U.S.A.; +1 212 966 1700 (voice). GLAAD
- publishes the GLAAD bulletin, and wants reports of defamation.
-
- 346. What is NAMBLA?
- The North American Man-Boy Love Association "support[s] men and boys
- in consensual relationships with one another and help[s] educate society
- about the nature of such relationships," according to a posting by one
- of its members. For info: NAMBLA Info, Dept RR, P.O.Box 174, Midtown
- Station, NYC NY 10018, or email roy@panix.com. Discussion of NAMBLA's
- goals via postings to soc.motss and in the LGBO* community often stirs
- sharp controversy.
-
- 347. (*) What gay/lesbian organizations exist for persons in the
- high-technology industries?
- - High Tech Gays (HTG) is a group based in San Jose, California,
- which has many social activities for its local members (although HTG's
- members hail from across the USA). HTG has been active in opposing
- the U.S. government's reluctance to give security clearances to
- lesbians and gays, and in other local and regional gay-rights issues.
- HTG can be reached at P.O. Box 6777, San Jose, California 95150.
- Their voicemail is at (408) 993-3830, and they can be reached via BBS
- at (415) 572-9594.
- - The National Organization of Gay/Lesbian Scientists and Technical
- Professionals (NOGLSTP) is a non-profit corporation, and can be
- reached at PO Box 91803, Pasadena, CA 91109-9813. Their phone number
- is (818) 791-7689, and they can be reached via Internet at
- nnoglstp-request@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov.
-
- 348. What is "After the Ball"?
- ATB is a book, written in 1989 by Hunter Madsden and Marshall
- Kirk, that offered strategies for gay culture to be accepted by, and
- incorporated into, mainstream American culture, and offered a "code of
- conduct" for members of the gay community. Because of the authors'
- ideas and the way in which they were presented, ATB became the subject
- of much controversy in soc.motss and other forums. Chances are that,
- pro or con, your "compelling statement" about ATB has probably been
- made here before, and all it will do is to stir up the same arguments
- one more time.
-
- Civil Rights and the Law
- ========================
-
- 401. Which governments have laws against discrimination on the basis
- of sexual orientation ("a/d laws")?
- - Australia: no national a/d law. New South Wales has one.
- - Canada: At the provincial level, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec,
- New Brunswick, British Columbia, and Nova Scotia, have a/d laws,
- as does the Yukon. There is no Federal a/d law; recent court
- decisions and appeals have somewhat confused the question of
- whether or not sexual orientation is already covered by Federal law.
- - Denmark: A/d laws for service to customers include sexual
- orientation. (My correspondent believed that a/d laws prohibited
- discrimination in employment and housing, but could not track them
- down.) The criminal code also prohibits public statements that
- promote hatred against recognized groups including sexual
- minorities; but the in only case to date--antigay letter to a
- newspaper--the defendant was acquitted. Registered partnership is
- available to persons of the same gender if one or both are Danish
- citizens resident in Denmark, and is done by mayors but not
- priests. Registered partnership (unlike marriage) does not give
- the right to adopt children.
- - Italy: The age of consent is 16; however, if neither partner is
- 18 or over, the age of consent is 14.
- - New Zealand: There are no a/d laws in our human rights bill but
- we're still lobbying for them. However, many employers and
- government departments include non-discrimination in their equal
- oportunities statements.
- (*) - U.S.A.: nothing at the Federal level, except a/d rules in the
- Federal civil service. (The military does discharge lesbians and
- gays.) The states of Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Hawaii, New
- Jersey, Vermont, California, and Connecticut have comprehensive a/d
- laws. Many U.S. cities and counties do also, and some governors have
- issued executive orders that affect employees of their state
- governments. The NGLTF (National Gay and Lesbian Task Force) in
- Washington DC maintains a list. Colorado has a consitutional
- provision *prohibiting* anti-discrimination ordinances (see #405).
-
- 402. What about discrimination by private employers?
- Many employers and unions in a number of countries have also
- established non-discrimination policies. A separate list, covering
- North American organizations, is posted approximately once every
- month. Persons wishing an email copy of the list may contact the
- list maintainer, Larry Stratton (larry@bradley.bradley.edu).
-
- 403. Where is same-gender sex legal?
- - Australia: in every state except Tasmania.
- - Canada: A person 18 or older may consent to sex with anyone else.
- A person 14 or older may consent to sex with a person not in a
- position of authority over them, not for money, and not if it is
- anal sex. A person 12 or older may consent to sex with a person
- not in a position of authority over them, not more than two years
- older than them, and not if it is anal sex. Anal sex is illegal
- unless the two immediate participants are both over 18 or married
- to each other. A court recently struck down the exception in the
- above law regarding anal sex. This would make anal sex legal under
- the same conditions as sex in general. This may be appealed by the
- Federal government.
- - Denmark: The age of consent is uniformly 15.
- - Ireland: Male-male sex (not female-female) is punishable by
- imprisonment. The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 1988
- that Irish law contravenes the European Convention for the
- Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In 1990 the
- Irish Minister for Justice announced that a bill to reform Irish
- law in line with the ECHR decision would be presented to the
- Oireachteas (Irish parliament) in 1991; but this has not been done
- as of 23 January 1992 (the latest information I have).
- - New Zealand: gay sex is legal for consenting males and females 16
- and over.
- - U.K.: legal in private for males over 21 who are not in the armed
- forces. Legal in private for females over 16, because British law
- does not recognise the existence of lesbianism. Homosexual activity
- of any kind is prohibited in the British armed forces. The Special
- Investigation Branch of the MPs have draconian powers to search
- through private possessions, letters, etc. Thus, they often follow
- "chains" of gay and lesbian people through the forces. The Ministry
- of Defence has recently decided that homosexual acts in the armed
- forces will no longer be considered criminal offences and subject
- to courts-martial. Homosexuality, though, remains "incompatible with
- military life", and those discovered to be homosexual are subject
- to discharge.
- - U.S.A: this varies at the state level. Roughly half the states
- have reformed their laws (by legislative or judicial action) to
- remove restrictions on sexual activity between consenting adults
- in private. The D.C. council passed a reform law but it was
- overridden by Congress.
-
- 404. Didn't the U.S. Supreme Court say sodomy was a crime even in private?
- Not exactly. By a 5-4 decision in the 1986 case of {Bowers v
- Hardwick}, the Court ruled that a state could pass a law criminalizing
- homosexual behavior even in private because the Constitutional right to
- privacy did not extend to sexual relations between members of the same
- sex. An analysis of why this was a bad decision (not just for us, but
- for the U.S. Constitution) may be found in Laurence Tribe, {On Reading
- the Constitution}.
-
- 405. (+) What is Amendment 2?
- In the November 1992 election in the US state of Colorado, voters
- approved by a 53-47 percent margin the following amendment to the
- state's constitution:
- ------
-
- Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Colorado:
-
- Article 2, of the Colorado Constitution is amended by the
- addition of Section 30, which shall state as follows:
-
- NO PROTECTION STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN, OR
- BISEXUAL ORIENTATION.
-
- Neither the State of Colorado, through any of its branches
- or departments, nor any of its agencies, political
- subdivisions, municipalities or school districts, shall
- enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance
- or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual
- orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall
- constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any
- person or class of persons to have or claim any minority
- status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of
- discrimination. This Section of the Constitution shall be in
- all respects self-executing.
-
- ------
- Several groups are working to repeal Amendment 2. Here is a partial
- list:
-
- EPOC (Equal Protection Campaign)
- PO Box 300476
- Denver, Colorado 80203
- (303) 839-5540 office
- (303) 839-1361 fax
-
- Lambda Legal Defense Fund / Colorado Initiative
- CLIP (Colorado Legal Initiative Project)
- PO Box 44447
- Denver, Colorado 80201
-
- Gay & Lesbian Community Center of Colorado (GLCCC)
- PO Drawer E
- Denver, Colorado 80218
- (303) 831-6268
- (303) 837-1598
-
- Boycott Colorado
- PO Box 300158
- Denver, Colorado 80203-0158
-
- The newsgroups co.politics.amend2.{info,discuss} may be available
- at your site.
-
-
- Acknowledgements: (If you've made a contribution and wish to be
- acknowledged, let me know.)
- FAQ list originally by Stan Brown
- Lexicon originally by D. Daniel Sternbergh
-
- soc.motss remembers these contributors, now deceased:
- Rob Bernardo <rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us>
- Seth Miller <seth@pbhya.pacbell.com>
- Doug Mosher <spgdcm@cmsa.berkeley.edu>
- Randi Pollard <sport!randi@uunet.uu.net>
- Robert Scott <ozdaltx!root@uunet.uu.net>
- Tom Shearer
-
- Corrections and suggestions: please email to jct@mti.sgi.com
-
- I'm especially looking for more complete information for the many lists
- that appear in these postings. I acknowledge all email about the FAQ
- list, so if you don't get a reply it means I didn't receive your message
- or that my reply to you bounced. (I do read soc.motss regularly but,
- owing to the volume, I may miss posted material.) There may be a delay
- of days in acknowledging your message; I have *real* work to do as well!
- --
- Chris Thomas (415) 390-4118
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